Meningen var att jag skulle postat mina ?sikter om Star Wars: Episode 3 – Revenge Of The Sith (ROTS) i Torsdags, dock har b?de jag och Lina blivit sjuka och s?leddes tillbringat dagarna med att t?mma hj?rnan p? gr?nt slem.
P?b?rjade Star Wars temat med Phantom Menance f?r tv? veckor sedan. En film som ?ven om den har sina problem, fortfarande ?r ljus?r b?ttre ?n Episode 4, som ?r den klart s?msta av filmerna, ett s?mnpiller utan dess like. Plus att episode 1 har tidernas b?sta fight med ljussabel. Gick sedan vidare till Attack of the Clones som ?r en klar uppryckning fr?n E1:s politiska jargonger.
ROTS tar vid tv? ?r efter E2, och b?rjar, f?rga f?rv?nande, med en rymdstrid. Det ?r nog den b?sta i n?gon av episoderna om ?n inte s?rskilt retro. 2 och en halv timme senare st?r Darth Sidious och Darth Vader p? bryggan av en Star Destroyer och blickar ut mot en kolsvart rymd med n?gra tiefighters som sv?var f?rbi.
Efter Empire s? ?r troligen ROTS den b?sta Star Wars filmen n?gonsin. Den har narturligtvis sina problem, men det har alla star wars filmer. Och om ni tycker att dom gamla filmerna ?r b?ttre f?r dom inte ?r fyllda med barnslig skit, s? tycker jag att ni ska se dom igen, och l?mna nostalgin hemmma. Det b?sta med Star Wars ?r att det ?r s? kul att snacka skit om dem. S?, ist?llet f?r recensionen som inte verkar bli av postar jag ist?llet en konversation med Miguel ?ver icq. Fylld av spoliers och massvis med stavfel. Enjoy.
Miguel: ey. was just wondering about starwars episode IV yesterday
Caine: yeah?
Caine: have you seen episode 3?
Miguel: the original, that is, the one that hasnt been remade with extra-matterial and better stuff and all that…is it available on Dvd?
Miguel: or only the remake?
Caine: the orginal (accroding to Lucas) dosen’t exsist anymore. I think you could find it on Laserdisc somewere…
and I klnow that I at one point saw the laserdisc editions burned on dvd being sold on E-bay….
but yeah, as an official realese, no. and most likely never will..
Miguel: ok. so the only starwars 4 available on dvd is the one with extramatterial and redone sound?
Caine: jupp
Miguel: nice. =)
Caine: I watched it the other day and I gotta say: boooring… I never really before realised how incredible dull that movie is… episode one is better
Caine: why?
Miguel: cause i only found one version of episode 4 online, and it didn’t say anything about being a remake
Miguel: so i got to doubting
Miguel: but thanks for the info =)
Caine: have you seen episode 3 yet then?
Miguel: yes…yes i have =)
Miguel: i liked it
Miguel: but a few small details that kinda…irked me
Caine: well yeah, Vaders NOOOOO was one of them
Miguel: haha
Miguel: i felt that anikins fall to the dark side was kind of…quick
Caine: you did? I didn’t. I felt that it began two yeasr earlier when he killed those sandpeople
Miguel: and the situation, the way it happened, wasnt that nice either.
Miguel: oh of course it did
Miguel: he’s been falling all along, but he was split about whether or not to help windu
Miguel: so at that point he was still undecided and when palpatine does his, “oh i’m so weak…oh help me”, he believes it and windu, along with all the jedi, are made out to be the bad-guys
Caine: I got the feeling that Palpatine nudged, and nudged and then, he pushed, and finally he took a risk and told Anakin who he was, a gamble that payed of , and all he had to do was one final push
Miguel: fine, but in the next scene palpatine clearly shows that he just tricked windu but never the less, anikin goes, “you are my new master, sure, i’ll kill some kids, no problem!”
Caine: well Palpatine was in Anakins eyes the only one that had been there for him, except Obi-wan, and Windu was just this fucking prick that tried to kill his father figuer
Miguel: i didn’t get that impression at all
he went there to help windu place palpatine under arrest
Caine: well, points of weivs I guess
Miguel: hes the one who turned him in
Miguel: who told windu and the jedi that palpatine was the sith lord
Caine: no, he turned him in, but they had that scene were he and Padme are like looking at eachother across the city, and there when he changes his mind and makes a decesion… to stop Windu
Caine: so he can save padme
Caine: from dying
Miguel: why would he turn him in if he felt he was a father figure? no…i think he was still undecided and it feelt like the whole “saving the old man”-scene wasn’t quite enough to be able to push him over the edge
Caine: but then again… it’s fucking star wars, you can discuss these things for ever
Miguel: sure, he was thinking, but in the scene it self, he doesnt say stop, he only says, “he must be keept alive, ti is the jedi way”
Miguel: so he’s clearly all for arresting him
Miguel: but dissagrees with windu’s choice in killing him instead. and palpatine’s groveling and whineing dont’ make it look any better
Miguel: i just feel that to turn him that last bit, padme should have been put in more direkt danger
Miguel: so that he would have been forced to choose, more outright, between the jedi, and padme and palpatine
Miguel: perhaps if she had fallen ill or something, and the jedi had strictly forbidden him from helping her, or soemthing like that.
Caine: well ok, how about this then: he feels like Windu is betraying the Jedi way, cuase windu wants to kill palpatine, wich is just another nail in the box that will finaly seal the deal… and maybe he has a choice, but he is beyond redemption when he kills the kids
Miguel: oh yeah, i mean he falls too far the second he gets his name
Caine: well, I still kinda teary when he got his name
Miguel: and why oh why doesnt obiwan finish him off!
Caine: yeah? wtf??
Miguel: he’s gotta still “sense” that he’s alive
Miguel: and there’s no way he can think that wont come back to bite him in the ass.
Caine: Obi-wan is one mean motherfucker, yeah, I’ll leave my “brother” here to suffer instead of giving him a mercy kill
Miguel: sure he was his pupil, he was like his brother, but like you said, finish him off!
Miguel: i mean, they werent fighting for fun exactly, he had already decided to kill him
Miguel: but these are all details
Miguel: you have to have some sort of suspension of disbelief.
Miguel: there was really just one more thing that i noticed. it wasnt that big of a deal, but it was noticeable
Caine: yeah, and I was acctully kinda dissapojinted at the fight… I thought it would be way cooler then episode one, but I guess they never could top that. this one had more drama in it sure, but still
Miguel: and that was that in episodes 1 and 2, the technology is way cool. like all the displays and controlls all over are way high-tech looking with touch-screens, holograms, etc etc,
Miguel: then when anikin becomes vader, everything switches to retro instantly
Miguel: he’s got the big ol-buttons on his chest-box, the gigantic knobs and switches in the ships
Caine: yeah, it felt like the empire was created in five minutes
Miguel: no, it’s like the empire fired it’s best interior decorator within five minutes
Caine: lol
Miguel: it doesnt look like the future, it looks like the past and its obvious why.
Miguel: but it just you know, irritates that they couldnt keep the level of technology consistent throughout
Miguel: it would have been cheaper and easier for them to keep the technology at the level it was in episode 4
Caine: they should have begun the retro stuff already in episode two… wich they kinda did, but more obvious
Caine: you know what I wish? that Lucas would Re-make episode 4-6
Miguel: yeah, same story, but same feel as the new ones. same tech =) and i mean, whats on the wall or the monitor in the background, doesn’t change a thing, it doesn’t make the movie any better or worse, it’s about consistency
Caine: well, and also make the drama fit more
Miguel: how do you mean?
Miguel: oh, and i also wish they would make luke less of a whiney little punk =P all he did in 4,5,6 was whine =P
Caine: after episode 1-3 Vaders death in 6 feels kinda… meh… and why oh why is he General Tarkins bitch in episode 4?? can you imagen kids now watching star wars for the first time and starting with episode 1, by episode 5 they are gonna go “ewww, he’s making out with he’s sister!!” and when Vader reveals that he is Lukes dad, and the music is all dramatic and shit they are gonna go: “well… yeah…”
Miguel: haha, true =)
Miguel: the thing is, the movies SHOULD be seen in the order 4,5,6,1,2,3
Caine: yeah, my kids are gonna se 4-6 first
Miguel: the point is that in 4,5,6 you follow luke and should as such not have more information than he does and for that to work you have to see them first
Caine: cuase the joy with the prequel is that you know whats gonna happen, but you really, really wanna see it
Miguel: and you know, i’m sorry, but i just dont like ep1 at all. 2 is ok, 3 is good, but 1 should just fall of the edge of the earth and die
Caine: it still has the coolest lightsaber fight ever
Miguel: yeah, but that’s ALL it has it’s a preschool kid’s movie, and has no place in the starwars saga.
Caine: the kids goes ape over it
Miguel: and hey, doesn’t obi-wan do “training” on tatooine?
Miguel: since he’s in contact with quigon?
Caine: yeah… but we never see it
Miguel: then why tha hell does he get stomped by vader in #4?
Caine: no,no… the thing is, quigong teach him to be a force ghost… apperently… wich quiqong learned AFTER he dies…, so he’s in contact with Yoda, through episode 2 and 3, (you hear his voice in E2) AND THEN YODA TEACHES oBIWAN
Caine: Fucking caps lock
Miguel: his voide in e2?
Miguel: where? when?
Caine: yeah, when Anakin kills teh sand people we cut to yoda meditating and you hear quigong vocie “Anakain, Anakin, NOOOOO” and if you have doubts that it is him, but on the subtitles on the dvd were it says quigongs voice
Miguel: ah ok, that explains the whole dissapearing thing in e4. nice
Caine: it does acctully
Caine: wich is kinda cool
Caine: and good, cuase he really needed to explain that
Miguel: ah cool. that’s true. i remember hearing it
Miguel: so he’s running around ghosting people
Miguel: what a perv
Miguel: i know what i’d do if i could do that =P
Caine: lol
Miguel: why not just let all jedi disappear when they die?
Caine: well maybe not all of the are so powerfull so that they can come in contact with him?
Caine: and you do know that Hayden Christensen is in episode 6 right?
Miguel: uh…as a ghost at the end?
Caine: jupp
Miguel: yeah
Caine: how did HE learn that?
Miguel: how did quigon learn it?
Miguel: i didn’t get the impression that he was all that great of a jedi
Miguel: hell, he got owned by darth maul
Caine: well, on the other hand quigong was teached by Dooku, how was teached by Yoda
Miguel: if yoda is 7000 years old, most jedi were teached by him
Miguel: taught*
Caine: well, fuck yeah, cuase Maul is a supercool motherfucker who dosen’t give a fuck
Miguel: hehe
Caine: in episode 5 yoda is 900
Miguel: whichever, old as a motherfucker anyway =)
Miguel: nah i don’t buy it. quigon wasnt all that great
Caine: guess your right, after all he’s poeple skills are fucking useless. “I will teach this kid. he will rock.”
Miguel: =)
Miguel: nevertheless, cool movie =)
Caine: fuck yeah…
Caine: but one of the joys with star wars is to talk shit about it
Miguel: and because of the inherent inconsistencies infused into it by george lucas that becomes easier and easier with every episode =P
Caine: hey, I am trying to write a rewew of it on my wesite, alright if I just copy paste this?
Miguel: sure
